Hello,
We have a member receiving many negative stars.
NOTE; PLEASE LEAD BY EXAMPLE, SAY TO PEOPLE TO HIDE MEMBERS, PLEASE MAKE THIS NORMAL,
This is a great problem to solve.
I will write on this Google Docs, then paste it here; Please request access to write:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i-hs2yhLsRY_cHA1rqVqSqqIPFupV6h6YE97qTBcbVY/edit
Thanks Andy
BELOW WAS BROUGHT FORTH FROM DOCS
DO NOT EDIT HERE ON SITE, EDIT ON DOCS.
STRATEGY NEGATIVE PEOPLE
GOAL?
Enable each member to have the experience they want
Educate them on how do use the site
100 Percent freedom of speech. Legal Speech.
Allowing members to create their own group of like minded people.
EMPOWERED USERS - MEMBERS
DONE Hide button
Filter by default set to avoid people with 3 negative stars.
Button to label a person problem This only works for people with 100 stars
Email on sign up explaining default
Weekly email on how to remove default
FILTERS
Super Verified Filter
Number of negative stars to filter
Only approved friends filter
Set as default, too avoid negatives
STARS
Snippet explaining stars, the more stars, the more we feel you are a good influence.
Link to Stars? Where What?
DONE - Every 3 hide, 1 negative star?
Do we send an email at this juncture ?
FREEDOM OF SPEECH DEFINED
Freedom of speech, a person must be able to walk away.
Freedom of speech, a person must know it exists.
HOW ENCOURAGE MEMBERS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES?
HOW TO STOP MEMBERS FROM BEING ANNOYED?
NUDGE THEORY
A nudge, as we will use the term, is any aspect of the choice architecture that alters people's behavior in a predictable way without forbidding any options or significantly changing their economic incentives. To count as a mere nudge, the intervention must be easy and cheap to avoid. Nudges are not mandates. Putting fruit at eye level counts as a nudge. Banning junk food does not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudge_theory
OPERANT CONDITIONING
Note: We encourage behavior that makes money, helps people to become better people. Without causing harm.
Operant conditioning (also called instrumental conditioning) is a type of associative learning process through which the strength of a behavior is modified by reinforcement or punishment. It is also a procedure that is used to bring about such learning.
Although operant and classical conditioning both involve behaviors controlled by environmental stimuli, they differ in nature. In operant conditioning, behavior is controlled by external stimuli. For example, a child may learn to open a box to get the sweets inside, or learn to avoid touching a hot stove; in operant terms, the box and the stove are "discriminative stimuli". Operant behavior is said to be "voluntary". The responses are under the control of the organism and are operants. For example, the child may face a choice between opening the box and petting a puppy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning
HOW ANGER MAKES MONEY FOR EVERYDAY HOBO?
Freedom of speech often elicits anger, a negative influence, however addictive. Reality can be negative.
HATE SPEECH
There is no moderation of these words “hate speech.” If it is legal to say in public, a person can say it.
We will nudge and encourage good manners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
Now, I have to go write about this in the Business Plan area.
Life is good with free speech when we learn how to think about ideas, and people with whom we disagree, then life is good. I have been writing a missive for 24 years. and have written more than 10,000 articles.
The dream is for me, that people accept that everyone has a right to be both a saint, and a sinner. Or in normal parlance, either an idiot, or a genius.
GOAL TO BORG BELOW, MORE ACTIONABLE IDEAS UP TO THE LIST:
Andrew and I have talked about angry members
4420 times
EverydayHobo has less than 1 problem with angry members per month.
HOW MANY TIMES HAS ANDREW AND ME DEALT, THOUGHT about ANGRY MEMBERS?
5 times per week
52 weeks in a year 260 times per year
4420 times – Andrew and I have talked about angry members, truly this is all we do
Premise: Remainderman Theory, I wrote about it in my book the Hobo Way.
IF YOU CAN GET RID OF THE PROBLEM CHILDREN, THEN WANT IS LEFT OVER IS HAPPY MEMBERS.
MEMBER
I understand that you don't want censorship on the site.
ANDY
Yes, it is illegal to censor on a public platform.
MEMBER
What if someone was spewing Nazi propaganda? Do they have a right to free speech?
ANDY
Yes, a person is allowed to do Nazi propogranda. It is because the only way we can allow members to break the copyright laws, is if we have free speech. Section 230. Note, Twitter, Google, Apple, Facebook break this law, because they can fight off any lawsuits. Eventually the governments will stop them in my opinion. That is why I keep pointing out links to where they are getting sued,
MEMBER
I limit free speech when someone is advocating limiting or eliminating my free speech.
ANDY
We give members tools to stop hate, “Hide button.” “Filters.” and right now, the new job is to find more tools to give members.
MEMBER
If this was my site, I'd write a PM Chat message to Ryk telling him that he's actually harming the site by alienating lots of people due to his numerous posts about one issue. I'd ask him to limit it to 2 posts per day on this topic and see if he's open to that.
ANDY
It is your site, you are an investor, so please do so. Note, I wrote to him both openingly and privately.
MEMBER
If this was my site, I'd write a PM Chat message to Ryk telling him that he's actually harming the site
ANDY
Please – THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO WITH 20 MILLION MEMBERS
NOTE
MODERATION is an impossible feat.
The worst thing in life is when an honest person is put in jail. There is no way to 100 percent do moderation correctly. It is impossible to do, and after 22 years of trolls. We have come up with what members want, need, they need to stop what annoys them. Please understand, you annoy many people talking about politics, and people demand I moderate this talk. I refuse to, as every person can talk about any legal to say idea.
We cannot hire a person to be fair, we can only program a computer to give nudges, stars, etc.
MEMBER
or possibly shame him by allowing people to somehow vote on his popularity on the site.
ANDY
ADD THE VOTE - The thumbs up, thumbs down is something we can add.
We have stars, negative, and positive.
We send emails
This is public shaming, I wrote a post to shame him
MEMBER
I like the idea of indirectly labeling someone a troll without coming out and saying it. Love the -4 ranking he has, as it warns people that this guy is not dealing with a full deck or that there's something wrong.
ANDY
Yes we do not want to directly label anyone, we indirectly
MEMBER
They'll either block him or quit the site.
ANDY
Quit the site is normal, we want to minimize this
“We will have a default setting when a person signs up, that would eliminate exposure to negative star people.
We will eventually do many defaults, to allow them.
Then we give a weekly email to educate them on how to set the filters.
MEMBER
4. develop a rating system for people
ANDY
We already have a rating system, the stars
We will add more to develop a rating system for posts (I like the thumbs up or thumbs down approach). This will give people feedback from the community at EH and that might inspire them to chill out.
MEMBER PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE HIDE IS A RATING
MEMBER
Another way to get around this is to have an entirely separate section of EH called Politics.
ANDY
We will have 1000’s of small groups, for any topic a member wants to start, 1000’s
MEMBER
The other approach is to develop guidelines, and yes, restrictions to speech. No hate speech allowed for instance.
ANDY
We have learned this is impossible. Please please please understand this is a 22 year old site, we have had 1000’s of trolls
MEMBER
I'll think more on this and do more research as well.
ANDY
We are a 22 year old site, Andrew and I have done 100’s of things to deal with trolls. We have names for them Chuck Wow. Mobile Mac. We even one time made a special section, where people could read their comments, and rate them.
That is all we do is research and experimenting, I would guess I have written about trolls making videos over 50-100 times.
Here is a fun one on Trolls from 2008
https://www.hobotraveler.com/2008/02/do-not-feed-the-trolls.html
